Hardware Analysis - Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

G. G. — 2009-05-06T03:23:21-05:00

Rodney Banga said:

For now. Phenom II can't even beat C2Q.
don't think about i7 haha.

Wow..... (shakes head).... you had to look hard for this one, especially on your first post to HWA .... cant wait to see your second post... heheheheh

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

Sean Costello — 2009-05-06T03:05:43-05:00

Rodney Banga said:

For now. Phenom II can't even beat C2Q.
don't think about i7 haha.

Why would you ever post that in a completely nonrelated 3-4 year old topic?

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

Rodney Banga — 2009-05-06T02:54:36-05:00

For now. Phenom II can't even beat C2Q.
don't think about i7 haha.

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

SuPeR Xp — 2005-04-22T05:13:45-05:00

Yes, when I say OC I also mean Production.

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

Rory Witham — 2005-04-22T05:07:34-05:00

Im not talking about over clocked CPUs but production, Hell if they pulled the finger out, they would have already got processor sent out with decent water cooling on them..

How hard would it really be to put a 80MM RAD and fan on pipe and make a water block instead? OK the price would go up bt lets think about the clock setting they could then have.

I think AMD have got the technology alot more correct than intel, if only you couldnt cook food on your system when you were gaming, AKA every time you game the shorter the life span on the processor

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

SuPeR Xp — 2005-04-22T05:02:42-05:00

Intel's new CPU's can easily hit well over 5.0GHz, but the reason they stopped @ 3.80GHz is because of heat problems. And if they used SOI as AMD is using right now, then they can achieve that speed with less power loss which will result in less heat.

AMD's new Venice Core is wisely designed due to the fact that it has an extra layer of copper interconnects, 90nm, SOI & DSL Technology.

They will easily be able to OC quite nice with tweaking after say 3.20GHz

Great Links, Rory

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

Rory Witham — 2005-04-22T04:54:22-05:00

My point was that they cant really go higher than they are, the AMD will find much trouble to go over 3.0Ghz the newer cores, may hit 3.8 Ghz on the strained silicon, Intel will are are finding it hard to run @4.0Ghz
Based on the simple point on the data pipes, AMD will run faster than the Intel chips...

You will find that soon they will not be using silicon to make chips as they have been playing with its limits but not the new "stuff" that will be like making a whole new chip and making it easy to produce true 64 bit Plus CPU's

I was just given some data on a 64 bit encypted hard drive thats becomming or is, I havent viewed the tech data as it arrived earlyer not the data connection that it will use ( sata, sata2 scsi or what ever)

I my self would perfer to see 128 and 256Bit processors as then they will be catching up with the rest of the computer technology.

I was refering to this information, I had had a quick look, but not a detailed look into it, But it sounds like its going alond the same line.
http://www.billswrite.com/bwrite/wocp2.html

http://www.eet.com/news/latest/index.jhtml;jsessionid=UIHK2XDC...tid=232069

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20040712_102754.html

http://www.ccwu.edu/Thesis_Moynihan/Chapter3.htm

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

SuPeR Xp — 2005-04-22T03:43:47-05:00

Rory Witham, regarding EMT64 vs. AMD64, they are both the same with minor differences not worth mentioning.

This tread is a little old, so I do believe that they both perform great with those added 64-Bit extensions. And there is no need for "PURE 64-Bit CPU's" right now, because if AMD took that route, than they would of failed just like Intel & there 64-Bit Itanium 1 & 2.

AMD only did this for 32-Bit & 64-Bit compatibility, until you & I are ready for 64-Bit computing. Then when we are, AMD will release there already designed Pure 64-Bit CPU

Plus, AMD's CPU architecture is already new (2003) & is quite expandable. AMD has no problem with upping there CPU clock speed, but there is no need for that right now, they are already the fastest CPU's with there lower clocks.

Take Care,

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

Rory Witham — 2005-04-22T02:02:03-05:00

I dont think that resonable consideration can be made for such a distant future. AMD are using dual 32 Bit to make there 64, I dont really care for Intel but will be looking into them more in the future.
At the start of the topic, some one mentioned that the EMT64 wasnt so good with 64 bit apps and OS, this isnt true, I read a review based on the 3500 and the 3.4Ghz Xeon processor using a linux 64 OS. It happens that the Intel processor was alot better in many application tests.

There was some info abouts the NEW intel chips which were one a totally different structure ( non silicon) which both seam to be looking at. AMD has reached it end on its current technology and the New FX57 will allow their new technology to work that little bit faster, BUT its not a real solution more of what they have learnt from overclockers and the technology to provide better and cooler cores. This is only a re clarification on older technology and nothing new.

There will be some time that Intel will bring out there chip and it seams as if AMD will take some times to develop new technology to bring into effect true 64bit and above processors.

It would seam that the benefits of the processors are in the sever chips from both AMD and Intel.

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

Lysander Macasieb — 2005-04-22T01:10:29-05:00

Well done a little reading on high-speed parallel interconnects vs high-speed serial interconnects.

This url kinda swayed me that in general serial interconnects are faster than parallel interconnects due to their reduced pin count per connection, Higher Speeds, Improved EMI, Dedicated Bandwidth, Extensible, Switched Architecture. e.g. PCI (parallel) vs. PCIe (serial)

http://direct.xilinx.com/bvdocs/whitepapers/wp175.pdf

Most of it i can understand what they are saying in the pdf, but if someone who has more knowledge depth about parallel and serial interconnects, please correct me.

In terms of HTT vs. CSI, as Super XP said, we will have to wait and time will tell. My view atm is that in my theory, CSI might be 2x, 4x or even 10x faster [lol i'm just guessing here, so don't quote me on that it will be 10x faster] than HTT due to their serial based architechture. I formulate this basis from the pdf above and how interfaces from many components have migrated to serial based technologies, like pci to pcie, parallel ata to serial ata, and how the data transfers are usually more than 2x faster than the parallel interfaces. And since serial interconnects reduce pin counts, will allow vendors like amd and intel, even 1st tier suppliers to reduce their costs in making those components, and hopefully the price will drop to production is more efficient.

As i said before if my knowledge of parallel and serial wrong then please tell me, then at least i have a clearer understanding.

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

SuPeR Xp — 2005-04-21T04:41:56-05:00

Yes, that would give AMD a nice challenge which I think they need.

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

G. G. — 2005-04-21T04:37:35-05:00

well....... let the whooppin begin and get us out of this rut were in. Bring on some new technology to us.

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

SuPeR Xp — 2005-04-21T04:31:53-05:00

Welcome to HWA.

Yes, I've read about Intel's CSI, it's too bad that there are no plans to bring it to the mobile & desktop platforms. Only workstation & server are going to be graced with this new technology.

AMD on the other hand is working on a modified HTT which should easily compete & probably beat Intel's CSI, but the future holds many questions which need answering

All we can do is watch the underdog beat the dog itself. Well, they have no choice of course

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

G. G. — 2005-04-21T04:19:29-05:00

Sander

is Lysander a relative or distant relative to you????????

Re: Intels EMT64 is not 64-Bit.

G. G. — 2005-04-21T04:16:37-05:00

Lysander !

Welcome to HWA !!! great post and you have a great view of how things are happening. It is great that the two companies take turns in being the best and seeing their own plans or strategies in the making and this is why we get the great products that we get.

Looking forward in your type of posts here at HWA.