Hardware Analysis Community Forums http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/ 2009-01-08T12:54:13-05:00 http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/ http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/halogo.gif text/html 2005-05-04T06:34:05-05:00 Joseph Kosuda http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#271963 Money can be better spent in other area’s to improve speed instead of paying more for a dual core processor and waiting or hoping for software vendors to catch up!///<br /> <br /> Agreed!<br /> <br /> How about donating your skills to refurbing PCs for womens shelters, orphans or needy public school districts?<br /> Who are you trying to impress by having a computer that shuts down games 'faster'?<br /> <br /> Excellent article and analysis Mr. Sassen.<br /> <br /> Abit NF7 v.2<br /> 1GB TwinX Corsair<br /> ATI Radeon 9000<br /> Barton 2.5 Ghz 333fsb<br /> 120GB Maxtor<br /> 180GB Seagate<br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3930612" target="_blank">http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3930612</a><br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8551320" target="_blank">http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8551320</a><br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://www.chomsky.info/audionvideo.htm" target="_blank">http://www.chomsky.info/audionvideo.htm</a><br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://www.enrager.net" target="_blank">http://www.enrager.net</a><br /> text/html 2005-04-25T10:28:22-05:00 Sander Sassen http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#268936 Alright, after some delay Intel shipped us a 3.2GHz (840) dual core processor and 955 chipset motherboard, before I let her go on a standard set of benchmarks that'll not do much for dual core, I'd like for you to tell me what you'd like to see. Keep in mind that we don't have time for elaborate testing schemes, as we're out to see if dual core can prove its worth on the desktop.<br /> <br /> If you have any suggestions feel free to post them in the below thread, or email me directly at <a class="ext" href="mailto:ssassen@hardwareanalysis.com">ssassen@hardwareanalysis.com</a>.<br /> <br /> Dual core benchmarking, we'd like your input<br /> <a class="ext" href="/content/topic/42925/" target="_blank">http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42925/</a><br /> <br /> Best regards, text/html 2005-04-24T07:29:14-05:00 Thermalfreak http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#268542 Anyone want 6 cores on thier mobo?<br /> <br /> One of the first reviews i saw was two dual core opterons runnig in a dual cpusystem with dual 68000 ultra cores running in SLI.....thats 6 times as many cores as my system boasts sticking out of its slots and sockets..... text/html 2005-04-24T06:05:21-05:00 kanav khosla http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#268537 am currently using a dual xeon 2.4 ghz cpu workstation and must say it runs pretty well.what am curious about is with the dual cores coming in what happens to the dual cpu systems would they still stick around and be used or get outdated by the dual cores. what kind or performance gains could you be looking at between the two. text/html 2005-04-21T19:50:22-05:00 john fisher http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#267795 As a proud owner of a venerable Abit BP6 mobo, I was among the early adopters of dual processor desktops. Adding to the fun, the processors were celerys hotrodded to 550/100. Like many in these posts, I was suspicious of performance based on lack of multithreaded applications. Also, although benchmarks were sparse, results for dual processor mobos were not exactly overwhelming. Nonetheless, because of (lack of) performance issues in my uniprocessor machine I decided to try it. I have been very pleased with the results and am happy that “dual processing” is making a comeback after fading from the scene. For starters it’s true that few apps may be multithreaded (although some of the pgms I write for our test lab are). But, aren’t you astonished at the list of running processes even with nothing really going on? Fire up a couple of programs, open a few browser windows, play some music and it’s hard to even scroll to the bottom of the list. A dual processor machine gets to split these up. The net result for me is a noticeably more responsive machine. Admittedly, this machine with its 440BX chipset (the B52 of chipsets) is quite long in the tooth. But, even after a company wide upgrade to the then blazingly fast 1.5G Pentiums, I would get comments from our MIS guys on how crisp my machine ran when they had to do anything on it.<br /> <br /> In these days of 3G processors and DDR memory, one might argue that speed alone would eclipse any of the perceived gains from yesteryear, but the debate is over for me. As soon as everything shakes out, I am going pick a mobo and build a new hotrod. <br /> text/html 2005-04-13T22:03:52-05:00 guru Shane http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#264963 so what is the difference in 333mhz to 800 mhz then math dude<br /> <br /> If you plug in the different numbers under the exact same categories, you get a 333 base and a 467 increase. You divide the increase of 467 by the base of 333 to get 1.4024024024024024024024024024024 which is 140%. You can check this by multiplying 140% by 333 and then adding that result to 333. It should be close to 800, (since we rounded it to 140%) and it is 799.2. That would be a 140% increase. text/html 2005-04-13T21:30:43-05:00 some guy http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#264956 so what is the difference in 333mhz to 800 mhz then math dude. text/html 2005-04-13T20:10:23-05:00 guru Shane http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#264929 Never fear! The math genius is here! lol (Yea, that was corny.. hehe)<br /> <br /> Whenever you are increasing or decreasing from a value, that value is considered the base value and any changes are based on that value and what percent of that value is decreased/increased.<br /> <br /> Let's take 533 for example. That is our base value that will be increasing, in this case. We start at 533. We then have to look at how much is being added to this value. We are adding 267 here. Like I just said, any changes are based on 533 and the percent of 533 that was increased, (267). That means that we would have to find out what percentage of 533 that 267 is. In order to do that, we divide 267/533. The answer is 0.5009380863039399624765478424015 or approximately 50.093%. There was a 50%, (rounded to the nearest whole number), increase in MHz from 533 to 800.<br /> <br /> If you're going to quote someone and prove them wrong, make sure you're right first.<br /> <br /> Cheers! text/html 2005-04-13T19:38:43-05:00 Wayne Peterson http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#264917 Tom,<br /> <br /> Going from 533MHz to 800MHz is an increase of 267MHz. 267/533 IS 50%. text/html 2005-04-13T04:16:21-05:00 A_Pickle http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#264705 Sir, you may consider starting a new topic for your qualm. Or, I recommend visiting <a target="_blank" href="/action/r/http://www.dell.com/">Dell</a> Computer Corporation's online forums at:<br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums?~ck=mn" target="_blank">http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums?~ck=mn</a><br /> <br /> Despite your computer being or perhaps not being a Dell, they offer a great deal of customer support and satisfaction. Living up to the expectation, as so few corporations these days do so.<br /> <br /> In any case, this is a heated debate about dual core processors, if you want to join in. <img src="http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/smilies/smile3.gif" width="14" height="14" border="0" alt=":D" title=":D"> text/html 2005-04-11T03:34:22-05:00 Jeff Bone http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#264083 I just cant seem to get my &quot;static causing mouse&quot; to quiet down .<br /> I am not really able to pass judgement on what is asked, but this is my issue I do wish I could fix<br /> see I am trying to use my pc as a DAW for creating original music in the form of 16 bit audio...<br /> and I can do well enough but this one issue has me unwell.<br /> I am asking in various forums one by one... with the entry time that goes with each..<br /> so I am grateful if anyone can offer a suggestion<br /> my mouse that is noisy is non usb, wired,optical so in case that was any question..<br /> thanks text/html 2005-04-10T20:07:11-05:00 A_Pickle http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#263949 &quot;...the reason you had that improvement is because the fsb went from 533 to 800 that's over a 50% improvement in your fsb right there...&quot; -fasttoon fasttoon<br /> <br /> No. Try using Calculator for once. 533 MHz to 800 MHz is not a 50% boost in power, nor is it OVER 50% boost in power. 533/800 = 33.4% boost in power. <br /> <br /> Personally, I find this review arguably intel bashing. Again. Yes, intel, a multibillion dollar international corporation can NOT know what the hell they're doing in terms of processor design. I mean, it only specifies what the goals of intel's multicore processing are.<br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://www.intel.com/employee/retiree/circuit/righthandturn.htm" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/employee/retiree/circuit/righthandturn.htm</a><br /> <br /> Specifically, the phrase, <br /> <br /> &quot;...Intel plans to run dual-core chips at lower frequencies than single core chips so they’ll require lower voltage and throw off less heat...&quot; -Daniel P. Jajeh<br /> <br /> Or the other phrase, <br /> <br /> &quot;...By placing more than one computational engine or core on each die, Intel can continue to add more and more transistors to its processors and diminish the troublesome effects of processor scaling...&quot; - Daniel P. Jajeh<br /> <br /> IE, intel's dual core front was DESIGNED to take the first step in correcting the problems facing current processing engines. AMD has ambitions to do the exact... same.... thing.<br /> <br /> You say,<br /> <br /> &quot;...Will dual core processors take the market by storm and obsolete all single threaded processors overnight? Hardly, as we've outlined before; in essence it comes down to the simple fact that most applications that we use on the desktop today are not SMP capable, hence they can't make efficient use of a dual core processor...&quot; - Daniel P. Jajeh<br /> <br /> Nothing ever will do that. 64-bit processors suffered from the EXACT, SAME, DIFFICULTY. People had to wait quite some time whilst software corporations either rushed to engineer a patch or update that allowed their programs to use the 64-bit processing technique. The same went for hyperthreading, programs had to be readily made to use it. The same will happen to dual core processors. The same will happen to every, single, freaking, processing and computational advancement that will ever be made.<br /> <br /> Intel has also made very clear that their <br /> <br /> intel is the one processor corporation that suffers most from the detriments of today's chip architecture. Their processors run the hottest, and have the tightest packed transistors, and have thusly, experienced firsthand the difficulties in the future of our current chip architecture mentality. Having the aforementioned experience, they are also the first to develop a solution for these problems in the short term, as most chip makers intend to keep to Moore's Law, stating that the power of our chips will double every 18 months.<br /> <br /> &quot;...By contrast, dual core components have two complete processor chips inside each package - a dramatic manufacturing change from today's single core chips and one that promises at least temporary relief from the power and thermal challenges threatening processor performance...&quot; - Daniel P. Jajeh<br /> <br /> Furthermore, it's not intel's fault software corporations are simply not using the multithreading capabilities of these processors, as it has shown to be a viable asset. Programs with it enabled show that it gives performance roughly a 10-15% gain with just normal hyperthreading. Enter the dual core processor, and hyperthreading becomes multithreading.<br /> <br /> 3D Studio Max R6 is one such application which supports multithreading, not simply hyperthreading. The results of the below benchmark seem to prove that.<br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/9/0,1311,sz=1&amp;i=94651,00.jpg" target="_blank">http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/9/0,1311,sz...651,00.jpg</a><br /> <br /> Dual core processing is designed to compete against the hurdles that our current processor engineering faces, and it does so with admirable performance. text/html 2005-04-09T01:40:31-05:00 VOYAGER http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#263420 Finally a review I agree with! When the real performance gains are in fsb, flavor of ram, quantity of ram, hdds, cpu cache, and the correct implementation and combination of all these technologies. <br /> <br /> It’s a good thing there are a lot of users that will believe the hype so Companies like Intel and my favorite AMD can have the money to put in RnD to develop technologies I can use. Cpu speed and # of cores just wont cut it by itself.<br /> <br /> The average user very rarely uses there pc to its full potential, don’t have enough ram and is using some of the oldest and slowest hdd technology.<br /> <br /> Money can be better spent in other area’s to improve speed instead of paying more for a dual core processor and waiting or hoping for software vendors to catch up!<br /> <br /> Oh by the way, I am listening to Eric Clapton-Derek and the Dominoes and my pc is doing a virus scan while I write this! WITH NO PROBLEMS.<br /> text/html 2005-04-07T13:01:58-05:00 ian elliott http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#262934 Closing a game down , has nothing to do with HT or anything like that but is your ram is running low. If you were to upgrade to 1GB you see when you come out of a game it does so very quick! I used to have that problem with 512mb. text/html 2005-04-06T07:21:40-05:00 fasttoon fasttoon http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/42113/#262473 the reason you had that improvement is because the fsb went from 533 to 800 that's over a 50% improvement in your fsb right there regardless if it has HT or not. If you could overclock your 533mhz to 800mhz you'll most likely see similar results.