Hardware Analysis Community Forums http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/ 2008-10-07T21:40:07-05:00 http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/ http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/halogo.gif text/html 2005-08-22T12:54:10-05:00 joseph chadwick http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#315279 What is apple going to do when they are using Intel products? Are they going to lower the price and be competitive with <a target="_blank" href="/action/r/http://www.dell.com/">Dell</a> and Hp? Many people when it comes to products have bias fanfare when it comes to judging their products. I was using the G5 at the school and couldnt figure out how to make it go full screen. I guess thre user friendliness of hte apple was not so friendly to me. Xp is pretty user friendly actually most of it is intuitive. It may be differnt if i had started using apples instead.<br /> <br /> Now, this system I just built, ask yourself if you can get this for htep rice through any oem and most of the parts to this system have 3 year warranties included. Abit is outstanding with their customer service, my poewrsupply to my system not this one that i built, replaced the board within 2 weeks i got it back and the board got fried because of the powersupply and they replaced it no problems same as the powersupply, in this fashion you get so much more for you money and security. Below the specs, i bought all the pieces form separate retailers on the internet, most from newegg. $946.00 <br /> <br /> $946.00<br /> AMD 3500+ venice core<br /> Abit AX8 K8T890 <br /> 2 x 512mb pc3200 kingston running dual channeled<br /> 160gb sata 7200rpm 8mb cache caviar hardrive<br /> x600XT ATI pci xpress 128mb hardrive<br /> 16x sony dvd dual layer dvd burner<br /> 7-1 reader mitsumi<br /> 500w powersupply mge vigor dual fan<br /> Foxconn tooless case <br /> Xp professional edition<br /> scroll mouse and keyboard<br /> <br /> For the warranty coverage included who is going to provide the above specs for the price? And the ram included. The board takes up to 6 ide devices has 3 ide sockets and 4 satas. dual floppy as well. Board works awesome it is just phenomenal, the only issue is the sata drivers to install windows, have to get hte 1.33 version if you hve recieved the floppy with 1.00version because windows doesnt recognize the controller for the sata drives. I install Xp pro in less than 8 minutes!!!!!! An install of Xp pro in less than 8 minutes is awesome, my 3200+ winchester installs less than 8 minutes with my K8T800pro chipset AV8 abit board i have. text/html 2005-05-15T09:58:34-05:00 Chen Hui http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#275797 I agree with you, Brendan Falvey. Just take a look what happened to FireFox. FireFox is widely recommended as replacement for IE (not really the case though), also subject to secutiry hole. If Mac is widely used (hopefully) and gained more attention for hacker, I believe more security hole and virus will be discoved. text/html 2005-05-15T04:49:05-05:00 Brendan Falvey http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#275759 In some parts of the world your beliefs can get you killed.<br /> <br /> I saw either Win 1.or 2. (on an IBM machine) best way to describe it was quaint and clunky but by Win 3.11 M$ had developed a reasonably useable interface on relatively inexpensive machines. My first Win 3 was a M$ special i wanted the Win interface for Word and Excel and M$ loaded in Win 3 for almost nothing really good deal 3 for about the price of 1 Application. <br /> <br /> The move to Win 9x was a rocky affair and having looked at Win 95 and Win NT 3.5 I went 32 bit in 95 M$ finally got its act together with 98 and then upended itself with ME. The 98SE/NT4SP4 interface represented a friendly easily navigated interface the move to XP to be pretty and look like the mac to some extent has to my mind been a step backwards. I use classic view straight into Control panel not navigating 3 or 4 dialogs to get to what you want.<br /> <br /> While I use M$ products I believe that we need several platforms hardware and software. If there was a real monopoly then we would have less pressure on M$ to provide a reasonable product. macs and Linux provide that necessary diversity and make the overal computing experince less vunerable to viruses that focus on one platform. if Macs and Linux held a similar proportion of the market to M$ they would be subject to similar levels of attck as the M$ platform. I am not saying one plafrom is more resistant to attacks just that the hackers would focus a similar level of effort to penetrate the other platforms text/html 2005-05-14T05:56:55-05:00 douglas ricke http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#275316 Whoa! We're . . . all friends . . here (backs away slowly). Heh. You can put down the butcher knife.<br /> <br /> I have no unkind words for you, Man. I need to lay off the sarcasm.<br /> <br /> Still, conventiional wisdom is not always well informed. It'd be nice if people made sure their facts were factual. And stuff. <br /> <br /> I'm using a machine that's been called too slow, designed for novice users, inadequate for expert users, too pricey, no software, irrelevant, nothing new to see. I suppose perception is everything.<br /> <br /> doug text/html 2005-05-12T22:43:02-05:00 Jonathan Guu http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#274757 No, I wouldn't admit I'm an expert to every computers but at least I'm not arrogant enough to give advice to any random pedestrian.<br /> <br /> I find your arrogance quite annoying and particularly your self centered statements.<br /> <br /> Your obsession in Mac is your problem and I don't give a toss if you hump pc or mac either way at the floppy disk slot. But if you have used PC for past 20 years (I sincerely hope that you didn't because people like you give people like us a bad name) and still find it troublesome, then you are the root of the trouble.<br /> <br /> But you won't care and I hope you don't care so I can see more irritating words from you and so I can hate you even more. text/html 2005-05-12T20:38:43-05:00 douglas ricke http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#274713 Jonathan: I agree that simply using a computer for 20 years would not necessarily make someone an expert. Some people prefer to learn the bare minimum they need to do what they want to do.<br /> <br /> I am not one of those people. <br /> <br /> ** Edited for less sass ***<br /> <br /> Doug text/html 2005-05-12T00:25:43-05:00 Alex-E-C-396 http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#274379 I have been ran an Amiga from 1988 to 1996 and found less than ten viruses and since '96 I have run IBMs and I have found less than 30 viruses probably lerss than 20 over the last ten years. Now they have caught a few in my email scanner but I have noticed that Yahoo and maybe Hotmail? have virus scanners built in to there servers. I have received an email with a warning message attached to them that a virus was attached but the watchimacalit scanner found it and removed it do I need to knotify mr <a class="ext" href="mailto:xyz@xyx.com">xyz@xyx.com</a> about the virsuses he is sending. I don't ever remember seeing viruses on the Macs that I have used. I think people just like a operating system that they don't have to figure out a little better which is why there are Mac maniacs.<br /> I still want to get a nice power MAC that is all tweaked out for the simple reason that a lot of the industry supports a Macintosh interface. I also love graphics. I wish Macs where good at CAD. That says something when a major program like AutoCAD doesn't do its forfront on a Apple machine. text/html 2005-05-11T16:22:11-05:00 Jonathan Guu http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#274177 Working with windows for near 20 years doesn't really make you into an expert.<br /> <br /> text/html 2005-05-10T07:50:21-05:00 Brendan Falvey http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#273758 Chen has made some valid points particularly if you got to those site with a doubtful reputation. Just One comment re hardware firewalls. I had the same view however I recently read an article that highlighted animprotant feature of software firewalls. While you can really gain control of the port access with hardware it does not stop trickery and the software can alert you when software is attempting to access the internet at large.<br /> <br /> I am now reviewing my attitude and the best way to coordinate the features of both perhaps the hardware port lockdown and then a software monitor of access to the net. text/html 2005-05-09T02:30:58-05:00 Chen Hui http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#273331 I have been using MS Windows for years, starting from Windows 2000, then Windows XP. I certainly aware of the inherit security flaw in MS Windows. However, I did not enable antivirus autoprotect or anti-spyware at my home PC. I did not used any software firewall, because I am using a hardware firewall. I only use email virus scanning. I turn off abandon services. Once in a while, I will scan the entire HDD. I did not feel any unsafe with my current machine. I feel that the users should resposible with their surfing habbit (Mac users will say the OS should protect the user). text/html 2005-05-09T01:06:28-05:00 Michael Poteat http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#273322 Well, I wrote the first reply and this thread is degenerating. I think we should wait until someone posts some independent benchmarks and not resort to insults.<br /> <br /> However, I don’t think there is anything inherently safer about running a MAC than a PC. There are simply not enough MACS around to make it worthwhile writing viruses. MAC has what about 3% of the PC market. It is like a virus that infects only folks with B- blood type, it wouldn’t spread very far. <br /> <br /> text/html 2005-05-08T23:59:34-05:00 douglas ricke http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#273305 Yeah, Brian. Post your IP address. <br /> <br /> You've convinced me. I'm going to sell my three Macs and buy 6 PCs. I won't have to worry about a firewall, virus checker, or Internet security program. I'll just get Spybot and Microsoft's scanner (so that I can find nothing). <br /> <br /> Then I'll be JUST LIKE BRIAN! <br /> <br /> -Doug<br /> <br /> C64<br /> 6510 @ 1 mHz<br /> 64k<br /> composite output<br /> groundbreaking SID 6581 / 28 pin DIP sound chip with 3 BIG voices text/html 2005-05-07T17:05:45-05:00 Brian Stewart http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#272923 &quot;I can make SVCDs just fine on my Mac. I use three applications for .avi, .mov, .mp4, mpeg2, VCD, and DVD. Quicktime Pro ($30), Roxio Toast $70, iLife (included w/Macs). I just bought Popcorn to back up DVDs. I was doing this using free utilities, but I got a good deal on it ($20). <br /> <br /> For those of us who care about user interfaces and efficient work flow, we'll happily keep our Macs. You keep running your virus checker. But, I'm a Mac user. What do I know about viruses? Oops. I left my firewall turned off again. For the last four years. Course we all know, any day now. There will be a Mac virus. Any day now. Think about how much spyware I must have on my machine. Hmm. . . none. Yeah. Well . . . &quot;<br /> <br /> I use a single program to capture edit compress and burn vcds svcds dvds, etc. NOT three. Oh, and it's free.<br /> My interface is CLEAN. My workflow is 100% efficient. 9/10 of my setup work is automated. 99.99% of the time it takes to do what I need to do is limited by the CPU, and not the user interface.<br /> <br /> I have no virus scanner.<br /> I have no firewall.<br /> Spybot, and Microsoft AntiSpyware haven't found so much as a tracking cookie in months. AdAware has NEVER found anything.<br /> I run on the internet naked.<br /> I have a public IP address. If you want it, just ask.<br /> <br /> The Mac user interface is crap. Shiny buttons and effects and little distractions.<br /> That's not what a user interface is supposed to be.<br /> A UI is supposed to let a human interact with a computer in efficient ways. Windows 98 had one of the best UIs ever. Simple, clean, and efficient. Which is why I've turned my XP UI into the 98 UI (just disable all the visual effects). It's faster, it's cleaner, it doesn't look like candy land, and it let's me do whatever I want.<br /> <br /> And it is a simple FACT that an $XXXX pc will outperform a $XXXX Mac.<br /> <br /> In my mind, there is absolutely NO reason to own a Mac. Everything you do on a mac can be done on a pc cheaper, faster, and just as well (in most casess better).<br /> <br /> But the &quot;pros&quot; who love the mac just can't see past apple's lies, bulls**t, and crap. text/html 2005-05-07T13:35:37-05:00 Michael Poteat http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#272879 To be specific I should have said that Apple was giving away a single IPOD (a door price) to people who showed up at the display for their new OS. If everyone who attended received an IPOD, I would have gone. <br /> <br /> text/html 2005-05-07T11:55:35-05:00 Brendan Falvey http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/43087/?l=1#272866 I neither like or really dislike apples it is the attitude of the community around them that reaaly anoys me. In th early days a great product and then they went after the corporate/publishing/education markets all with no sense and very deep pockets when they released the original lisa followed by the mac.<br /> <br /> The incident that really highlighted the devious spruicking that has been highlighted here is very similar to the early days of Pentiums in the early 90s. I do not know about the rest of the world but here in Oz there was a 2 page ad that had the implication that the Apple was very inexpensive compared to an IBM pentium the only one readily available. Apples started at $1700 and the implication was that that could outperform a pemtium with early CD drive mery all the goodies. Apple apple hater wrote in and complained to the magazine that Apple had misrepresnted their product since to get equivalent functionality and performance one need to by a Mac Quattro XYZ with top line processors and the cost a mere $11000 $4000 more than the pentium.<br /> <br /> Apple seems to have a reasonable product why they persist in taking a negative line really leaves me bemused. To me they are just another proprietary box looks cute but at the end of the day it is just anothe glass typewriter. I know it does a bit more but it is still just a beast. They maintainvery tight control over their hardware so they should be stable etc. They have helped develop some great interfaces eg USB, a lot of [pioneering work with wireless. yet they persist in trying to bag intel/amd. Bill G. had to buy 20% of Apple to keep it afloat to avoid the atni trust charges. <br /> <br /> <br /> My experience with the local mac user group compared to the local pc user group left a very bitter taste. The pcug had help number where the member provide free help I had expected the same for macs but i put somebody onto them and she literally got shafted. Came round to help no warning charges were involved at $80per hour and then could not help with application so on to someone else who effectively conned her into buy a bigger faster machine. She only needed to use a simple spreadsheet. I ended up giving her one of mine for free to do the job from windows and she was happy.<br /> <br /> As I said the attitude if they became more positive and less tunnel visioned maybe they could sell more now they are having to use ipods given away with the weeties to encourage people to take another look at their product but I believe they have lost the plot<br /> <br />