Hardware Analysis Community Forums http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/ 2008-10-12T19:04:03-05:00 http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/ http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/halogo.gif text/html 2008-05-18T05:13:35-05:00 Gerritt http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#536211 FordGT90Concept said: <div class="quote">Oops, I was only taking software piracy into account. Audio and video piracy dates back to at least when they were released. It wouldn't surprise me if there were audio pirates back in the stone age.</div><br /> <img src="http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/smilies/smile1.gif" width="14" height="14" border="0" alt=":)" title=":)"><br /> There is truely nothing new under the Sun! text/html 2008-05-18T05:06:20-05:00 FordGT90Concept http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#536208 Oops, I was only taking software piracy into account. Audio and video piracy dates back to at least when they were released. It wouldn't surprise me if there were audio pirates back in the stone age. text/html 2008-05-18T02:36:25-05:00 Gerritt http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#536196 2 Decades? I think you may be a little off.<br /> Back in the mid-70s I was making party tapes on a reel-to-real TEAC, and I learned how to do it from my uncle, who'd been doing it since the late 50s.<br /> I guess I just come from a family of hardened criminals... text/html 2008-05-17T03:10:03-05:00 FordGT90Concept http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#536146 Ultimately, software, audio, and video industries are going to have to learn to embrace the pirate scene. It has been around for over two decades and there really is no stopping it--there is only trying and failing. Until they figure out that out, they'll keep driving customers away because, 9/10 (especially software), the pirate copy runs with fewer issues than the retail, DRM infested copy. Audio and video is getting just about as bad. text/html 2008-05-16T21:00:49-05:00 Gerritt http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#536130 So a music sharing mom gets hit for $220,000, but the guys implicated in destroying over a billion dollars in equity each, each walk away with multi-million dollar golden parachutes after the sub-prime loan fiasco, which isn't over...the commercial property meltdown is coming up!<br /> Something is FU...ummm, messed up here.<br /> I pay for my music and videos, as well as all of my software, and it grinds my jaws when I get a pop-up, or can't install or play purchaced products because I've done it several times on the same system.<br /> DRM does not slow down or stop file sharing.<br /> DRM just punishes those that don't torrent the files, because there are so many different ways of publishing stripped files.<br /> I could get every OS, Application, and song (around 5000) I've payed for, some multiple times for free, and never hit a PtP network, or provide a download stream that was trackable!<br /> This is the equivilent of taking someone down for originating a mix tape. If she does not materially profit from the distribution, the impact and her liability should be adjusted to her actual gain; so, 26 songs at $0.99 each, leads to a finding of about $25.74. At least this is how Software manufacturers handle their liability in the SLAs.<br /> text/html 2008-05-16T06:24:36-05:00 FordGT90Concept http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#536101 This apparently isn't over yet...<br /> <br /> <div class="quote"><b>First music download trial may get a do-over</b><br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DOWNLOADING_MUSIC?SITE=AP&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&amp;CTIME=2008-05-15-17-00-32" target="_blank">http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DOWNLOADING_MUSIC?SITE=...5-17-00-32</a><br /> <br /> MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- A Minnesota woman ordered to pay $222,000 in the nation's first music download trial may get another chance with a jury.<br /> <br /> The issue is whether record companies have to prove anyone else actually downloaded their copyrighted songs, or whether it's enough to argue that a defendant made copyrighted music available for copying.<br /> <br /> The recording industry has sued thousands of people who shared music online, and has argued that all they have to prove is that the defendant made the music available. They compared it to someone displaying pirated DVDs for sale on a table.<br /> <br /> Music-sharers have argued that the only proven downloaders of their music were investigators working for the record companies themselves.<br /> <br /> That was the case in the trial last fall of Jammie Thomas of Brainerd. U.S. District Court Judge Michael J. Davis instructed jurors that making sound recordings available without permission violates record company copyrights &quot;regardless of whether actual distribution has been shown.&quot;<br /> <br /> On Thursday Davis said that may have been a mistake.<br /> <br /> <i>continued on link</i></div> text/html 2007-10-09T23:26:28-05:00 DsL.Dilbert http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513519 leastcmplicated said: <div class="quote">pirating's wrong mmkay<br /> <br /> btw totally love the censoring of the RIAA </div><br /> <br /> Yes, but there's no need to be so heavy-handed in dealing out punishment. Slap her wrist hard, I agree, but landing her with $220 000 is more like hitting her in the face with a sledgehammer... text/html 2007-10-09T22:42:55-05:00 john albrich http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513511 One reason some IP owners go after suspected pirates really aggressively, is because the law gives them little choice, and of course their attorneys bring it to their attention.<br /> <br /> If you don't take actions against those you believe have stolen your IP (copyrights, patents, trademarks, etc) you can lose your right to control it. It can end up in the public domain.<br /> <br /> <br /> However, there is nothing in the law that says you have to be brutally heavy-handed when you mete out punishment...as in making an example out of a mother, or a 14 year old, or someone who honestly just didn't understand the laws (and BTW some congress-persons don't even understand the laws) text/html 2007-10-09T22:12:02-05:00 FordGT90Concept http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513506 We're doing that because it also includes the MPAA. text/html 2007-10-09T18:59:09-05:00 leastcmplicated http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513497 pirating's wrong mmkay<br /> <br /> btw totally love the censoring of the RIAA text/html 2007-10-09T01:26:22-05:00 FordGT90Concept http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513436 john albrich said: <div class="quote">I've also read that the number of &quot;unsigned&quot; artists is growing, thanks to the internet's ability to market and sell one's work at low cost.</div><br /> Artists, in general, hate publishers but see it as a necessity. Think Prince with his name changed to a symbol just to rebel against his publisher. Also note that most industrial artists of the 90's into the 2000's all hate publishers and some have been cited (Nine Inch Nails) to release an album to the P2P networks just because their publisher refused to release it.<br /> <br /> I sense a war about to break out between consumers, artists, and publishers. The **AA has always been a tool of the publishers and frankly, people are getting sick of it. Online might be the way forward. The lower budget games are already being sold this way because, being quite obvious, the software publishers aren't much better than the music publishers. They just don't have enough money to form an organization like the **AAs. I wouldn't say it is beyond them to do such a thing within the decade if things do not change. text/html 2007-10-09T00:34:14-05:00 john albrich http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513432 Tam-the-Bam said: <div class="quote">I think it's a scare scam? A total act. To scare ppl off. All carefully orchestrated by the government, media and music industry. It's the biggest pile of s**te i've ever seen!</div><br /> If it is a &quot;false-flag&quot; so to speak, it may have a much different effect than they planned. Details are coming out that tend to support the perception that something is &quot;off&quot; about this case. <br /> <br /> The various spin-off discussions that IP address &lt;&gt; Identity are numerous, and that means more people (and defense attorneys) are becoming more educated. That means future lawsuits will become more difficult and more expensive for the **AA to pursue.<br /> <br /> It should be noted that **AA is also now trying to demand a percentage of their signed artists' earnings from concerts, and other non-label endorsed activities. As I understand it, a number of currently signed artists are <b>not happy</b> with that, since they often make much more money from those than from the CD sales. (one source says an artist gets about US$2 from each CD sold)<br /> <br /> I've also read that the number of &quot;unsigned&quot; artists is growing, thanks to the internet's ability to market and sell one's work at low cost.<br /> <br /> I predict that the **AA will respond to <i>that</i> threat by initiating infringement suits against the artists directly...alleging they &quot;stole&quot; songs (or parts of songs) from other artists that <b>are</b> under label. The intent will be to scare the artists instead of the customers...get them all to sign to a label, or quit independent distribution. text/html 2007-10-08T22:27:30-05:00 Tam the Bam http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513416 <br /> I think it's a scare scam? A total act. To scare ppl off. All carefully orchestrated by <br /> the government, media and music industry. It's the biggest pile of s**te i've ever seen! text/html 2007-10-08T19:23:20-05:00 leastcmplicated http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513394 thats what the jury awarded not what they sued her for. She also claims that wasnt here username but was also found to have switched her hdd a week or so before they confiscated it. wonder where that hdd is....??? text/html 2007-10-06T02:54:58-05:00 FordGT90Concept http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/68964/?l=1#513070 She's fined for copyright infringement. They could have put her up for well over $10,000 per song but no judge/jury would ever allow that. She'll probably end up filing bankruptcy. Hopefully this is enough for politicians to see how out of control the **AA are.