Hardware Analysis Community Forums http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/ 2008-10-15T18:56:02-05:00 http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/ http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/halogo.gif text/html 2008-02-08T07:40:36-05:00 angryhipy http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#528328 <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://snipurl.com/1z8r5" target="_blank">http://snipurl.com/1z8r5</a><br /> Start reading there. text/html 2008-02-08T05:00:11-05:00 MikeFL nil http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#528321 You guys seem like you really know this stuff. How about helping me out please? I built a dedicated system for trading because no vendor (Dell, HP, etc.) sold what I wanted. I am having problems understanding timing of memory, cpu, etc. and I experience a freeze from time to time, then mess with the BIOS until I break it some more, then mess with it again and it eventually works so I stop messing with it until it freezes again. So I've looked on the net everywhere, but everywhere I go all I find is &quot;overclocking&quot; but I don't want this thing screaming and melting; I only want what I intended to build and that is a super-duty rock solid dependable system at any cost which will never let me down. You see in trading, if my system goes down it can literally cost me tens of thousands of dollars in a split second; much more if it takes me a few minutes to get back up running. I don't want &quot;overclocking&quot; but I just want &quot;proper clocking&quot; or &quot;proper timing.&quot;<br /> <br /> So here's what I built:<br /> <br /> Intel QX6850 (quad) Core2 Extreme 3.0 ghz 1333 fsb 8mb L2 cache<br /> 4 gb OCZ Platinum DDR3 1333 (2x(2x1gb dual channel sets))<br /> Asus P5K64WS mobo 1333 fsb, onboard Raid, dual gigabit ethernet, etc. 4xPCIe-X16 for 8 monitors max<br /> 2x EVGA GeForce 8800 ultra<br /> 4x Vizio 42&quot; 1080p lcd tv's for monitors.<br /> 5x Seagate ES series 250gb drives<br /> 2x Asus lightscribe dvd-ram/ dvd-rw<br /> 950 w power<br /> Full Tower case w/ 2x 240cm fans in the side w/ stupid blue lights.<br /> Just stock fans and nothing more and this thing runs steady 45c in my 70f home office (I like it cool in S FL). On rare ocassion it gets to 50c and I speed up the fan to cool it off, but usually if it's hot I have a program hanging.<br /> <br /> Again, all I want is this thing to run stable 100% of the time. It is oversized. What is the most stable settings I could use here and what theory applies to this? After I get this thing set I'm going to build 1 or 2 backup systems so I have plenty of redundancy. Anything that helps me understand memory/ system timing will be much appreciated.<br /> <br /> Thanks!<br /> text/html 2008-01-31T05:18:17-05:00 angryhipy http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527476 Orthos Stress prime 2004. is made for dual core processors. I'm not sure how it will work on a quad. Based on Prime 95 source code.<br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/beta2.htm" target="_blank">http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/beta2.htm</a><br /> <br /> Try dropping the cas latency down to 4. You can use the cache and memory benchmark in Everest Ultimate. It's located at the top under tools. Not the same as the benchmarks at the bottom of the left column text/html 2008-01-31T05:00:08-05:00 Raynor http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527473 After about 15 minutes Cores 1 &amp; 2 (0-3) gave failures... can me messing with the memory timings do that or should I tweak other stuff to fix that?<br /> <br /> This was not the Blend Test... it was the one for testing your CPU. Running blend test now (one 1 core, memory maxed)<br /> <br /> Temp was ~66C text/html 2008-01-31T04:53:41-05:00 Raynor http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527469 4 copies of Prime95 are hitting my CPU (All 4 cores)... at 65C and seems stable... I'm not gonna let it get over 65... been running for about 10 minutes.<br /> <br /> Had to run it on the &quot;some ram tested&quot; instead of ram heavily testing because that kept making my computer run hella slow.<br /> <br /> Memory is at 5-5-5-12 2T @ 1.890V 1066.<br /> <br /> It seems It takes 4 copies of Prime95 to test my cpu and 1 to test the ram... hehe <img src="http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/smilies/smile3.gif" width="14" height="14" border="0" alt=":D" title=":D"> text/html 2008-01-31T04:24:44-05:00 Raynor http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527467 Prime95 gave me an error within 30 seconds... gonna up the voltage and try again.<br /> <br /> I was running it at 1.890v for 30 minutes and I didn't see any problems... gonna try that with Prime95 text/html 2008-01-31T04:21:54-05:00 Raynor http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527466 Foxconn's BIOS lists the DDR'd speed...<br /> <br /> So I set my FSB to DRAM to 1:4 and with some tweaking it works.<br /> <br /> Current settings:<br /> <br /> FSB to DRAM: 1:4 (533mhz doubled to 1066mhz)<br /> 5-5-5-15 2T @ 1.845V (I have to give it an extra .045V to get it to 1066 when it's rated at 1066 @ 2.2v... I love this stuff)<br /> <br /> My harddrive is failing... RMAing it.. but i'm happy my memory seems to be working. <img src="http://media.hardwareanalysis.com/smilies/smile3.gif" width="14" height="14" border="0" alt=":D" title=":D"> text/html 2008-01-31T01:12:49-05:00 Raynor http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527445 angryhippy said: <div class="quote">Sorry that was confusing I guess. The default FSB is 266MHz X9 =2.4GHz. If you set the CPU to RAM ratio to 1:2, then the ram will be set at twice the FSB (266MHz) or 533. With the double data rate, then 533 X2 = 1066 The speed of your RAM. So at those settings both your CPU and your RAM will be set at stock speeds. Nothing will be overclocked. If that 1066 ram is really a true 1066, then you should have room to overclock the whole system.</div><br /> <br /> What you guys say makes sense... I think I was trying to set my memory to 2132mhz (no wonder it didn't work)<br /> <br /> The Foxconn BIOS lets me do a lot more than 5-5-5-15 2T... any of the other I should tweak? text/html 2008-01-30T07:03:37-05:00 angryhipy http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527346 Sorry that was confusing I guess. The default FSB is 266MHz X9 =2.4GHz. If you set the CPU to RAM ratio to 1:2, then the ram will be set at twice the FSB (266MHz) or 533. With the double data rate, then 533 X2 = 1066 The speed of your RAM. So at those settings both your CPU and your RAM will be set at stock speeds. Nothing will be overclocked. If that 1066 ram is really a true 1066, then you should have room to overclock the whole system. text/html 2008-01-29T18:20:21-05:00 Raynor http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#527209 angryhippy said: <div class="quote">The CPU FSB is 266 at stock To get your RAM to run at 1033 then you need your CPU to DRAM ratio (it looks like it's called CPU clock vs. Memory speed in your BIOS) set to 1:2 That will give the RAM a frequency of 533 times 2 for the double data rate making it 1066. To have the memory run at 800 it would have to be set to a 2:3 ratio. Make sure your PCI clock is locked at 33MHz. It doesn't look like you can up the MCH voltage with that BIOS<br /> <br /> If you set your timing to spd, and don't understand all the memory timing settings, download Everest Ultimate and look under motherboard/chipset. You'll see the timings the board set at auto. You can then go back in and find the best settings for your memory by knowing the auto setting value first.<br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://angryhippy.net/images/EverestTimings.jpg" target="_blank">http://angryhippy.net/images/EverestTimings.jpg</a></div><br /> <br /> Sorry for the long delay...<br /> <br /> My computer sets it automatically to 2:3 for 800mhz... 1:2 @ 533mh. CPUZ gives timings but I'll try that out.<br /> <br /> I don't think I can get my CPU OC'd that much on stock cooling. 533mhz x6 gives 3.2ghz. x9 gives 4.8ghz. Maybe i'm missing something... but I haven't seen anyone even with good aftermarket coolers getting 4.8 on the q6600 (on air) text/html 2008-01-25T07:25:44-05:00 angryhipy http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#526823 The CPU FSB is 266 at stock To get your RAM to run at 1033 then you need your CPU to DRAM ratio (it looks like it's called CPU clock vs. Memory speed in your BIOS) set to 1:2 That will give the RAM a frequency of 533 times 2 for the double data rate making it 1066. To have the memory run at 800 it would have to be set to a 2:3 ratio. Make sure your PCI clock is locked at 33MHz. It doesn't look like you can up the MCH voltage with that BIOS<br /> <br /> If you set your timing to spd, and don't understand all the memory timing settings, download Everest Ultimate and look under motherboard/chipset. You'll see the timings the board set at auto. You can then go back in and find the best settings for your memory by knowing the auto setting value first.<br /> <br /> <a class="ext" href="/action/r/http://angryhippy.net/images/EverestTimings.jpg" target="_blank">http://angryhippy.net/images/EverestTimings.jpg</a> text/html 2008-01-25T03:07:22-05:00 Raynor http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#526808 I'm not worried about the CPU anymore. I got the speed stepping.<br /> <br /> The specs:<br /> Q6600 2.4ghz<br /> Foxconn Mars<br /> 4x1gb <a target="_blank" href="/action/r/http://www.crucial.com/">Crucial</a> Ballistix 1066mhz tracers<br /> EVGA 8800 GTS (G92) 512<br /> Seagate 7200.11 500gb<br /> Enermax Liberty 500w<br /> <br /> I was hoping to just get the memory to run at its advertised speeds. I'm using the stock fan on the CPU so I can't OC it a lot.<br /> <br /> My computer, when I first installed vista and then installed crysis ran beautifully at max settings. After installing the mobo and lan drivers (and perhaps a few other things) I get worse fps playing on Medium settings than I did on ultra high when I first started playing. Any ideas? text/html 2008-01-25T01:25:11-05:00 angryhipy http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#526801 DublinGunner said: <div class="quote">The reason you see the lower multi in windows for yuor CPU is simply speed step, I keep it on, no sense having the CPU running full throttle when your on the web or something.</div><br /> <br /> Oh I don't know. Mine is always set to run at max. That's because I warm my room with my exhaust fans.<br /> <br /> Raynor. Do you understand how the speed step works? The CPU will always revert to stock speed and only increase to your overclock settings when the CPU needs it in computing intensive situations. In order for your CPU to constantly run at the overclock speeds you have chosen, the speed step must be disabled. If you could list your mobo model and revision number as well as the CPU specs, it will be a lot easier for someone to help you sort it out with FSB and CPU/DRAM ratios and timings, and get it up and running like you want! text/html 2008-01-23T22:58:27-05:00 Tam the Bam http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#526677 <br /> Why 1:4? If you set to 1:1, you're putting the CPU &amp; FSB at say (Example) 266Mhz to 533MHz.<br /> Set the multi to 9, and try upping your CPU Freq to 400MHz, and check for stability.<br /> On my motherboard, the CPU Freq will increase my FSB for me. Don't know what board <br /> you have. Get that OC stable, then start increasing til you're happy with your OC. text/html 2008-01-23T22:58:13-05:00 Meats_Of_Evil http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/70467/?l=1#526676 Make sure you have it set at 5-5-5-15-2t and not 1t that would most certainly make it unstable.